nooooo!

Mar. 4th, 2006 02:29 pm
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the government wants united nuclear to stop selling cool crap from chemistry sets to us folks who don't have a $1000 permit to manufacture explosives (even if it's not for anything even remotely intended for explosives use).

that's no fun at all. harrumf. i may have to write letters.

Date: 2006-03-04 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinlail.livejournal.com
Sounds like they need to get slapped again!
http://www.tripoli.org/documents/batfe/ATFmessage20060210.shtml
"The problem in this case is that ATFE’s explanation for its determination that APCP deflagrates lacks any coherence. We therefore owe no deference to ATFE’s purported expertise because we cannot discern it. ATFE has neither laid out a concrete standard for classifying materials along the burn-deflagrate-detonate continuum, nor offered data specific to the burn speed of APCP when used for its ‘common or primary purpose.’ On this record, the agency’s decision cannot withstand judicial review."

Date: 2006-03-04 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feste-sylvain.livejournal.com
I'm getting real tired of this government. I didn't like Clinton, but this government makes his look like a freaking shining city on a hill.

Date: 2006-03-04 09:00 pm (UTC)
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Here they come for ya....

This is a big problem.

CZ

Date: 2006-03-05 01:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lil-brown-bat.livejournal.com
This is a big problem.

Big? I'm curious -- what's the adjective to describe some other problems associated with the current government, like lack of a coherent energy policy and consequent problems that are far worse than a few extra bucks to fill up the SUV?

Date: 2006-03-05 01:38 am (UTC)
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Hm. That word would be transitory.

I personally am not too worried about the coming energy issues. For the most part they are transitory issues. So people will lose out on their SUVs. Boo hoo. So they will pay the price for commuting 60+ miles to work each day. Boo hoo.

Personally I have this base covered, having a memory of 1973. Solar panels on the roof, electric car, wood fireplace insert (oh so nice to have a 76 degree house tonight without paying for that gas stuff), and a nice little forest in the back. So I really don't care too much; it will even out.

Items like banning sales of chemestry sets are another matter. First off they are usually pernament. As in forever. Second they tend to stifle creativity and experimentation in the name of "Homeland security".

Which is kinda funny as the real problems that this administration has done so far are way worse than any anfo bomb. I'd say try Bush for high treason and deriliction of duty but yaknow? We asked for it.

CZ

Date: 2006-03-05 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lil-brown-bat.livejournal.com
Hm. That word would be transitory.

Evidently you live somewhere where it never gets very cold.

Date: 2006-03-05 02:57 am (UTC)
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*nod* I used to live in Boston way back when. Now I live in Maryland, where it doesn't get quite so cold. However it does get chilly, and for the past 2-3 years I have been seriously upping the insulation on my house and caulking up all the cracks. Makes a big difference, I can still heat the house with just the insert (and Boo manor is a big house) till about 5 degrees outside.

I think overall that Bush will go down in history as the greatest friend of the environment ever. Including Thoreau. By wrecking the supply of oil and gas, people will be forced into conservation.

Chris

Date: 2006-03-06 01:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lil-brown-bat.livejournal.com
I think overall that Bush will go down in history as the greatest friend of the environment ever. Including Thoreau. By wrecking the supply of oil and gas, people will be forced into conservation.

Well, that's classic revolutionary theory for ya: things will suck so bad that people will just have to make them better. Unfortunately, it doesn't quite work that way. Non-affluent people in cold climates have been "forced into conservation" long since: my thermostat is set at 50 degrees, and I burn an awful lot of wood. There are some people in my community who have gone through winters where they were forced to move the whole family into the kitchen because that was all they could heat. The people who are hurting now, and have been hurting for years, are the same people who lack the thousands of dollars to "up the insulation" to meaningful r-values, and also lack the power to force policy changes that would lead to more widespread conservation, which is the only thing that could really help the non-affluent in the interim before this science-fiction solution materializes. As long as there's world-wide frenzied consumption of petroleum, at the same time the supply keeps getting tighter for a variety of reasons, the diminishing supply will increasingly go to the highest bidder -- leaving the rest of us, quite literally, out in the cold.

Date: 2006-03-04 09:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keren-s.livejournal.com
United Nuclear appears only to be looking for donations, thereby excluding many people who would want to help. I like your idea about letter writing, and perhaps suggesting to UN that they print contact info of key public figures for those interested in writing.

Date: 2006-03-04 10:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunspiral.livejournal.com
Time to contact my senators. Those F%$#kers are basically stealing some of the best parts of my childhood!

Date: 2006-03-04 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deguspice.livejournal.com
On their list of banned chemicals: Permanganate compounds

That's no fun.

In high school (HSSP), I have found memories of mixing potasium permanganate with something in a test tube (I forget what it was) and tossing it off the roof and then watching a lovely purple stain appear in the snow.

Not only the proto-chemists . . .

Date: 2006-03-05 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blackanvil.livejournal.com
It's not only the proto-chemists, but lots of other crafts and hobbies will be impacted. In metalworking, I use nitre salts for bluing and for low-temperature salt pot operations. A lot of metal-artists use various compounds on the banned list for patinas. Woodworkers use permagnates as wood dyes. Potters use a number of these chemicals in glaze formulations.

--doug

Date: 2006-03-08 09:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tactical-grace.livejournal.com
Obviously, chemistry sets can be used for terrorism! Why do you hate America?

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